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Financing the Everyday: A Closer Look at Mortgages

Mortgage credit sits at the heart of asset-based finance and can offer a compelling blend of yield and diversification. PIMCO Group CIO Dan Ivascyn and Jason Steiner, Head of Residential Credit, explore how data, an integrated public-and-private market perspective, and cycle-tested experience define our distinctive approach to residential mortgage investing.

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Text on screen: Absolute and relative return

DAN: In, today's environment where mortgage related investments offer significant absolute return and relative return versus other credit alternatives, and we think there's a place for this type of risk across a variety of portfolios

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high quality opportunities that are going to be resilient even during periods of economic stress, as well as alternative strategies or higher return strategies where you can take a bit more risk.

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NARRATOR: The $14T U.S. residential mortgage market is the cornerstone of the fast-growing, $20T asset-based finance universe.

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Asset-based investments, including those backed by mortgages,  student loans, , and other forms of consumer lending, provide crucial funding across the economy, and can offer investors resilient returns and diversification to traditional forms of private credit.

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JASON: if you don't have a good grasp on you know, the housing market being that the house is typically the largest asset that most consumers have on their balance sheet, and you don't have a good grasp on the mortgage market, which is obviously the largest liability that many borrowers have on their balance sheet.

You know, you can't invest in the mortgage market, you can't invest in consumer credit.

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DAN: If you know that a household has tremendous equity in their home, you're willing to give them a consumer loan, you're willing to give them a parent cosign student loans.

When you're focusing on mortgages, when you underwrite that risk well,

Then there's a lot of strongly related investments that offer, you know, good yield and diversification opportunities for investors as well.

Text on screen: 70s & 80s One of the earliest investors in mortgage-backed securities, LATE 90s Dan Ivascyn joins PIMCO and leads build-out of asset-backed securities team, 2005 Launch housing project to demystify activities in housing, $300B+ RMBS AUM, 2006 Applied deep expertise with securitized lending to invest in private ABF opportunities, 200+ Securitizations, 2008 Capitalized on distress in RMBS/CMBS/ABS markets, 2010-2012 Pivoted platform to step in where banks retreated

NARRATOR: PIMCO is one of the world’s largest investors in the mortgage market, first investing in residential mortgage-backed securities in 1975 and now managing over $300B in RMBS AUM.

Also a leading investor in private residential loans and sponsor or participant in over 200 securitizations, PIMCO is a trusted partner to mortgage lenders and strategically positioned to bring the best risk-adjusted opportunities in this sector to our clients.

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JASON: PIMCO has been a leader and a pioneer in the mortgage market, really going back to the 1970s, right? Early investing in agency mortgage backed securities through the financial crisis where we're investing in distressed, you know, distressed legacy non-agency mortgage back securities.

And then the rebuilding of the mortgage market post-financial crisis, where we've been a leading investor

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Text on screen: 1: Distinct Vantage Point, 2. Data-Driven Intelligence, 3. Engineered for Advantage

NARRATOR: Our advantage comes down to three qualities – our distinct vantage point across public and private markets, our intelligence based on decades of data, and how we put our experience and ecosystem to work for our clients.

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Text on screen: 1: Distinct Vantage Point, Dual-market lens

Our dual-market lens allows us to see relative value that others may not. Combined with the access born through our scale and reach, we can be selective across opportunities.

JASON: the flexibility of capital that we have at PIMCO has given us a real unique edge in terms of relative value.

There's opportunities that at the top of the capital structure, investment grade portions of securitizations, there's opportunities in investing in more illiquid parts of the mortgage market in mortgage loans and mortgage servicing rights and in mortgage platforms.

And having the ability and the flexibility to navigate across different forms of investments also makes you a better investor over time as well.

No opportunities are too small for us. No opportunities are too large for us. It's all about sourcing the right risk at the right price.

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Text on screen: 2. Data-Driven Intelligence, Proprietary MODELS, BILLIONS of data points

NARRATOR: We ground this perspective in proprietary models built on billions of data points, gathered over decades of investing in residential mortgages and private credit.

DAN: When you have databases spanning multiple decades consumer credit other forms of household credit and mortgage credit new technology, AI and other tools allows you to merge data sets like you've never been able to do before.

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Get a very, very precise understanding of not only mortgages, how much equities within that respective property, but the overall household's credit profile.

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NARRATOR: This all then comes to life through our people and our ecosystem. Forged across market cycles, we’ve built the relationships and resources needed to access favorable lending terms, execute on opportunities and adeptly navigate even the most challenging market moments.

DAN: Myself, you many other members of the PIMCO team had been involved in these mortgage markets through multiple cycles.

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We've seen excess develop, we've seen the need and the importance of doing very, very granular analysis with a sense of paranoia around what could even happen from a servicing or a policy perspective. And again, it's embedded in our culture.

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A lot of history and experience in markets, a lot of deep technology, data analysis and historical data from being involved to being a leader in this space, we think leads to a very strong client value proposition.

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Disclosure

The investment strategies discussed herein are speculative and involve a high degree of risk, including a loss of some or all capital. Investments in any asset classes described herein may be volatile, and investors should have the financial ability and be willing to accept such risks.

All investments contain risk and may lose value. Investments in asset-based lending and asset-backed instruments are subject to a variety of risks that may adversely affect the performance and value of the investment. These risks include, but are not limited to, credit risk, liquidity risk, interest rate risk, operational risk, structural risk, sponsor risk, monoline wrapper risk, and other legal risks. Asset-backed securities across various asset classes may not achieve business objectives or generate returns, and their performance can be significantly impacted by fluctuations in interest rates. Investments in residential and commercial mortgage loans, as well as commercial real estate debt, are subject to risks that include prepayment, delinquency, foreclosure, risks of loss, servicing risks, and adverse regulatory developments. These risks may be heightened in the case of non-performing loans. Investments in mortgage and asset-backed securities are highly complex instruments that may be sensitive to changes in interest rates and are subject to early repayment risk. Structured products, such as collateralized debt obligations, are also highly complex instruments that typically involve a high degree of risk; the use of these instruments may involve derivative instruments that could result in losses exceeding the principal amount invested. Private credit involves investments in non-publicly traded securities, which may be subject to illiquidity risk. Portfolios that invest in private credit may be leveraged and may engage in speculative investment practices that increase the risk of investment loss. Additionally, investments in private credit may be subject to real estate-related risks, which include new regulatory or legislative developments, the attractiveness and location of properties, the financial condition of tenants, potential liability under environmental and other laws, as well as natural disasters and other factors beyond a manager’s control. Investing in banks and related entities is a highly complex field subject to extensive regulation, and investments in such entities may give rise to control person liability and other risks.  Investing in distressed loans and bankrupt companies is speculative, and the repayment of default obligations contains significant uncertainties. High-yield, lower-rated securities involve greater risk than higher-rated securities; portfolios that invest in them may be subject to greater levels of credit and liquidity risk than portfolios that do not. Collateralized Loan Obligations (CLOs) may involve a high degree of risk and are intended for sale to qualified investors only. Investors may lose some or all of their investment, and there may be periods during which no cash flow distributions are received. These investments are exposed to risks such as credit, default, liquidity, management, volatility, interest rate, and credit risk.

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